Summary
Peter talks with Randall Arms of Epicor while Wade is away on a new drilling project. Arms explains that Epicor measures sweat and nudges workers to drink, and that 3 percent body loss from dehydration matches the cognitive slowdown of a 0.08 blood alcohol level. He describes Chevron's stop water authority program in the San Joaquin Valley, which has gone a couple of years without incidents after previously having four to seven per heat season. His father's heat strokes and kidney disease led him to this work.
The oilfield is an unforgiving environment. But the biggest threat to worker safety isn't always visible. Enter Randall Arms from Epicore Biosystems. His company is pioneering the use of sweat sensors in oil and gas to combat heat stress. They treat roughnecks like professional athletes. And this wearable technology is transforming how the industry approaches hydration, cognitive performance, and operational efficiency.
The Hidden Danger of Dehydration
Most workers rely on a simple, flawed metric for hydration. They drink when they get thirsty. But in the Permian Basin or the swamps of Louisiana, waiting for thirst means you are already behind the curve.
The human body is a complex engine. Add flame-resistant clothing (FRCs), Tyvek suits, and 91-degree heat. That engine runs hot. The cumulative effect of day-over-day dehydration is staggering. It sneaks up on you. And it destroys cognitive function.
Consider this alarming statistic. When a worker reaches 3% body weight loss due to dehydration, they experience the same cognitive slowdown as someone with a 0.08 blood alcohol concentration. That is the legal limit for drunk driving.
"Well, damn sure don't let nobody work when they're drunk, right? Because of the cognitive impairment, why do I let people work when they're dehydrated?"
You would never let a rig hand operate heavy machinery after downing a six-pack. Yet, every day, dehydrated workers make critical decisions with the exact same level of cognitive impairment. The traditional approach to workplace safety falls short here. We manage what we can measure. Until recently, we couldn't measure sweat.
A Legacy Built on Heat Stress
For Randall Arms, the mission is deeply personal. He is a typical kid from Tennessee. He spent 15 years in health and safety across manufacturing and construction. But his true motivation comes from his father.
His father was a blue-collar worker. He built bridges. He worked in a rock quarry. He farmed from sunup to sundown. He was the epitome of a man who lived and worked in the brutal heat. But that relentless work ethic came with a devastating physical cost.
His father retired a decade early due to chronic kidney disease. This was the direct result of poor hydration habits compounded over years of extreme environmental exposure. Randall recalls that his family could practically set a clock to when his father would suffer from heat stress, heat exhaustion, or heat stroke during the first week of June.
Randall asked his father if a wearable hydration monitor would have helped him back in the 1980s. The answer was blunt. It sure as hell wouldn't have hurt. That legacy drives Epicore Biosystems today. The goal is to save the next 35-year-old father from destroying his body just to get the job done.
The Rise of the Industrial Athlete
Professional athletes have access to cutting-edge sports science. They monitor every ounce of fluid lost and replaced. But the physical demands placed on an oilfield worker often exceed those of a professional athlete. They work longer hours. They endure harsher conditions. They wear heavier gear.
For every sports athlete, there are ten industrial athletes. These are the men and women building our infrastructure and powering our world. Yet, they manage their own physiological readiness with nothing more than a cooler of water and a generic heat plan.
Epicore Biosystems is changing this narrative. The company originated from the Querrey Simpson Institute at Northwestern University. They initially focused on clinical medical applications like cystic fibrosis. Then they developed the Gx Sweat Patch in partnership with PepsiCo and Gatorade for sports athletes. Now, they are bringing that same clinical-grade technology to the industrial sector.
This shift in mindset is crucial. View a worker as an industrial athlete. Stop treating hydration as a compliance checkbox. Start treating it as a performance multiplier.
How Epicore Biosystems Measures Sweat
You cannot manage what you cannot measure. Epicore Biosystems solves this problem. They literally measure sweat as it leaves the body. Their wearable technology takes a small sample of sweat and extrapolates it across the entire body.
The science is complex. The application is simple. The wearable device translates sweat loss into metrics that workers understand. Milligrams of sodium. Fluid ounces of water. It tells you exactly what you lost and exactly what you need to replace.
But data without action is useless. Epicore focuses on behavior change. They do not overload workers with complex dashboards. Instead, they use simple haptic feedback. When a worker loses a bottle of water worth of sweat, the device nudges them on the arm. It is a physical reminder to take a micro-break and hydrate.
If the worker ignores the nudge and reaches 2% body weight loss, the alert changes. This is the threshold where mild dehydration begins to impact heart rate variability and cognitive function. The system intervenes before the worker enters the danger zone.
See also: NCBI: Adult Dehydration
The Energy Drink Epidemic
Hydration is not just about drinking water. It is about what you are not drinking. The oilfield runs on caffeine. White Monsters, Red Bulls, and black coffee are staples on every job site. But these beverages are diuretics. They actively strip fluid from the body.
Some companies are taking a hardline stance. Tad Wallace at C3 Oilfield Services strictly prohibits energy drinks in the field. If he catches a crew member with a Monster, it becomes an immediate disciplinary conversation. This approach is rare. But it highlights a growing awareness of the problem.
Randall Arms acknowledges that moderation is key. Night shift workers with families at home often rely on caffeine to survive their schedules. But the education piece is non-negotiable. If you consume a diuretic, you must intentionally replace those fluids. Failing to compensate for caffeine intake sets the body up for catastrophic failure in high-heat environments.
Keely Bell, a prominent voice in oilfield safety, preaches this exact message. He advocates for extreme intentionality regarding personal health. You cannot outwork a bad hydration strategy.
The Wake-Up Call: Knowing Your Numbers
The conversation also touched on a universal truth for men in the industry. We hate going to the doctor. We hate looking at our health metrics. Peter Brecht shared a personal anecdote about his wife urging him to get a comprehensive blood panel. Her biological age came back at 24. Peter joked that his would likely come back at 60.
This reluctance to face the facts is a massive hurdle in occupational health. Workers often feel invincible. They ignore the warning signs until their bodies force them to pay attention. Wearable technology bridges this gap. It removes the guesswork and the ego from the equation. It provides objective, undeniable data about what the body needs in that exact moment.
Chevron's Stop Water Authority
Theory is great. Application is better. Chevron is an investing partner in Epicore Biosystems. They put this technology to the test in the San Joaquin Valley. They took the standard concept of Stop Work Authority and evolved it.
They introduced Stop Water Authority.
This program empowers workers to halt operations specifically for hydration breaks. Chevron deployed the sweat sensors on their highest-risk workers. When a worker received a nudge, they took a micro-break. They rested. They drank water. They cooled down.
The results were undeniable. Prior to the pilot program, Chevron experienced four to seven heat-related incidents per season in that region. After implementing the wearable technology and the Stop Water Authority program, those incidents plummeted. The success continued into the second year. This was not a fluke.
This is the power of targeted intervention. Focus on the workers at the greatest risk. Give them real-time physiological data. Chevron fundamentally changed their safety culture by doing exactly this.
The True Cost of Heat Stress
Safety is the priority. But operational efficiency pays the bills. Heat stress and dehydration are massive drains on productivity. When workers are dehydrated, they slow down. They make mistakes. They drop tools. The second half of a turnaround takes longer because the crew is running on empty.
There is a direct correlation between hydration and time on task. Implement a system that requires workers to take micro-breaks. It feels counterintuitive. You are asking them to stop working. But as Randall Arms points out, sometimes you have to slow down to speed up.
A hydrated worker is a focused worker. They make fewer errors. They maintain a consistent pace throughout their shift. The ROI of wearable hydration technology becomes obvious when you factor in the cost of a single heat-related incident. Medical bills. Lost time. Delayed operations. These costs dwarf the investment in preventative technology.
Furthermore, there is the human element. Workers go home feeling better. They stop catching cramps in the middle of the night. They learn about their unique sweat profiles. A worker in Southern California sweats differently than a worker in Tennessee, even if they do the exact same job. Blanket safety statements are good. Personalized physiological data is great.
Final Thoughts
The oil and gas industry has always been driven by innovation. We use advanced technology to drill deeper, extract more efficiently, and monitor equipment health. It is time we apply that same level of innovation to the people doing the work. Sweat sensors in oil and gas are not a gimmick. They are a necessary evolution in workplace safety. Treat workers as industrial athletes. Provide them with real-time hydration data. Eliminate the hidden dangers of heat stress. Do not let your crew operate legally drunk on dehydration. Listen to the full episode of Local Energy with Randall Arms to learn how Epicore Biosystems is leading this charge.
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Peter Brecht00:02
All right, welcome to the local energy podcast. My name is Peter Brecht. I am co host free today. Wade is still working on a new drilling project and quite busy, obviously with oil prices where they're at now, which is a great thing to see. Yeah, it's been a been an absolute crazy week. And I don't know how else to explain it with WTI and just all the things that we're all monitoring.
Across the board. And unfortunately, I've been glued to Twitter more than I'd like to be. I was able to finally take my kids to the beach last night and enjoy some time with them. And I guess reminder of why we do what we do. But today's guest, I'm excited to introduce Randall arms from epic or bio systems was introduced to Randall, I think, over a year ago is when we first started talking, had some pretty interesting things that he was sharing with me in terms of,
Working on the oil field, safety, even athletics, think was maybe something that was more integral to my life and what my wife does is, on the PT side of stuff. But Randall, thank you for coming on. I'm excited to chat with you and help kind of broadcast your message and what you do.
Randall Arms01:16
Yeah, Peter, I've obviously been a fan since I think I got introduced to you through TikTok, if I remember right. I saw you on that platform, we'll call it. I kind of fell in love with what you were kind of kicking off and I love how you guys bring a different light to the table for the oil and gas. Oil and gas to me is, I still feel very, very new and green into this. I sat in Nashville, which the only...
Peter Brecht01:27
Yeah.
Randall Arms01:43
Oil and gas things that we have or either gas stations or a pipeline that may run through. So getting to be a sponge in this market has been really fun for us.
Peter Brecht01:53
I mean, imagine how it's probably similar to how I feel living in San Diego, right? I always joke there's like five of us in San Diego that are in oil and gas, but Nashville, man, I love, so you guys, if there's one thing I know better than oil and gas and substantially better actually would be coffee. And I know you guys have some incredible coffee shops out there. I'm trying to think of the name of the one that I've gone to on a, anyways, it'll come to me, but.
Randall Arms01:57
Yeah.
Peter Brecht02:20
I keep a literally have a map in my Google Maps app of like coffee places that I've gone just in case I want to revisit them in the future. So great, great stuff there, but pass the coffee. So I know we talked about like D I think hydration and dehydration and all this stuff. And I'm not gonna kick it off there. I'm gonna kind of pass it over to you and we'll let him learn about your background and how you got in this position first.
Randall Arms02:28
Yeah, yeah.
Peter Brecht02:47
And then let's talk about, what Epicore is. But more importantly, I think the theory behind it and the importance of what you're solving for.
Randall Arms02:57
Yeah, yeah, great, great question. So just a little bit about me. I'm your typical redneck kid from Tennessee that got into health and safety one way shape or another for the last 10, 15 years, something around there. Spent time in manufacturing, a little bit of construction, some consult kind of stuff. But got into the connected wearable side, moved onto the salesy dark side a few years ago.
And got introduced to Epicor through a potential partnership with the company that I was at, Black Line Safety, which if you're an oil and gas, you've probably seen those guys floating around for gas protection. Epicor's not new. Been around since 2017, three legs of the business. Really go after the medical clinical side. They respond out of Northwestern University, Corey Simpson Institute.
Really looking at microfluidics and sweat, sweat technology at clinician levels, thinking like cystic fibrosis and how to manage that, other areas in the medical side. We have some great investor companies of ours. One familiar in this platform obviously is Chevron, which we'll talk about a little bit later. PepsiCo, Gatorade as well. We make a sports product.
In the Pepsico world called the GX patch. It's designed for the sports athlete. And what we're really looking to do is just upper commercial engine in the industrial athlete space. We believe there's a direct correlation to, for every sports athlete you have out there, there's 10 or so industrial athletes. And how do we maintain performance, operational,
Error prevention, cognition free, through the lens of hydration. There's a lot of good science around behind that.
Peter Brecht05:00
Interesting. So I don't hydrate well personally, right? If my water doesn't have coffee in it, I'm probably not drinking it. But I mean, from like everyone here is safety guy, right? They got the safety guy coming or whatever. And I wouldn't really say you, you, you're a safety guy in a sense of like, okay, this is something that everyone should be thinking about. But, I mean, I don't
Randall Arms05:07
You
Peter Brecht05:27
I haven't really spent a lot of time thinking through hydration, so I don't know. Let's start there.
Randall Arms05:32
Yeah, yeah, growing up on a farm, I'll give you the example that I had. You you drank when you were thirsty, right? You stopped when you got extremely hot. The problem with that statement, unless you're working in your yard, right? But when you're in the industrial world, you have a lot of other factors you have to consider. You have strain on the body. What type of work am I doing? You have obviously your FRCs, which hold in heat.
You may have a tie back on over top of that, which is going to hold in extra heat, acclimatization. There's all these different factors that play into it from a work readiness standpoint. And then you look at what you just talked about, like the coffee, the nutrition side that kind of exaggerates that at the same time. There's a lot of things to consider. It's hard to understand if you don't pay attention to hydration. It's what gets people in trouble.
I'll give you my legacy, like why I do what I do. Like how does this guy go from what he's doing now to really talking about hydration in a second. But the thing people get in trouble with is they don't start drinking until they get thirsty, which is the natural reaction. But when you're at 91 degrees Fahrenheit, high humidity or lower humidity, even in that case, you think about the Permian, you think about Texas oil fields. If you're in the swamp in Louisiana.
You start drinking when you're thirsty, you're already behind the ball. And you start cumulative thinking about that day over day turnaround situations. That's where people get in trouble. So it's more about how do you measure, how do you manage what you can't measure outside of a third signal? And that's kind of where the tech enablement kind of comes into play. Just thinking about wearables in general is getting a little more sciency.
In that aspect and making sure that we stay ahead of it. And there's a lot of great behavioral things that we can do. Making sure we have adequacy to water, we have adequacy to shade. And rest water shade is kind of that generic part of a typical heat plan that keeps us in place. But we also have the productivity pressures, right? You talked about where the oil energy game is right now. Like there's still a bunch of pressure. So how do we manage that?
Randall Arms07:55
And that's kind of what we're trying to uncover here is how do we still make sure we make money? How do we make sure we our people safe? What is the science that can kind of bring those two together? So a couple of like key things I like to throw out that kind of gets people thinking. Don't know if you partake in the alcoholic beverage, but one of the key things we talk about people would be like, huh, makes sense.
Is when you get to 3 % of body loss and dehydration, you get the same cognitive slowdown or cognitive response as someone at 0.08 blood alcohol level. So if you think, hey, I've actually, I've been inebriated before, I've been drunk, I know how that feels, could I, if I've been that way in my work, how does that kind of work? And then the pressure to the company is,
Peter Brecht08:35
Interesting.
Randall Arms08:52
Well, damn sure don't let nobody work when they're drunk, right? Because of the cognitive impairment, why do I let people work when they're dehydrated? So that's kind of where that play comes into an understanding.
Peter Brecht09:03
I could almost guarantee you that I am currently dehydrated. Like no joke, right? And so I don't know. It might not be, it might not be too hard to increase my performance. I don't know if you, so there's a comedian and when you're started talking about hydration, it reminded me, Mike Birbiglia is a, comedian. He's been along for a long time, but some of his older stuff. And he used to say like when he was in his younger days, he'd be driving long distances and his like game you'd play with himself is you drink a lot of water.
Randall Arms09:09
Yeah.
Yeah.
Randall Arms09:22
Yeah.
Peter Brecht09:33
And he would stop over at the gas station. And if he, if his P was clear, he was like, I'm hydrated. And like, that was kind of his running joke with himself. I don't know what that's like. I've never played that game before, but going into this patch. And I think that's something I really want to touch on is we don't have to play that game. There's a patch that people are wearing athletes are wearing that actually tells them there. I don't know if it's a chemicals level or it's just hydration, but maybe tell me a little bit about that.
Randall Arms09:39
Yeah. Yeah.
Randall Arms09:58
No. Yeah. So a cool thing about Epicor, I'll call it the nerdy science side because we have an incredible team. I'm not trying to plug Epicor by any means, but biologically, we have an incredible team that has spent years on understanding sweat and how do you take a small portion of looking at the body and looking at an exebrate over the entire body to say, I sweat this much, this is what it looks like over your entire body here.
So we at Epicor, we literally measure sweat. We take the sweat off the body. We measure it in a way that translates to milligrams, which is what most people understand when I eat that great breakfast burrito. If I'm in Laredo, Texas, it's very salty, very great food. But also if I'm ingesting, liquid IV, Gatorade, or any type of electrolyte drink, I know what that looks like. So
There's some education there, but we're actually giving that as that amount that's coming off the body. And the same thing in fluid ounces. The way that we go about business is more about behavior change. We don't want to overload people with a bunch of data. We try to keep it really, really simple. And it's, you lose a bottle of water worth of sweat, we nudge you on the arm. Great, it's time to drink a bottle of sweat. We'll give you a little bit different.
Nudge if you don't log that intake when you get to 2 % of your body loss because it's where we get into that Hey, you're on that mild dehydration which again where other wearables come into play thinking about elevated heart rate and heart rate variability and how people get into that mild level of dehydration So it's more about behavior change. It's more just about coaching really simple Hey drink take micro breaks. Make sure that when you do rest water shade, you're actually rest
Taking water in and shading your skin. And the idea there, I know it sounds very like nomenclature, but it's slow down a little bit to speed up. Get more operational, drops on tools. There's a lot of cool science behind that when it comes to time on task and why does it take so long in the second part of a turnaround? Because we've had a couple of operational errors and are we really tracking that to dehydration? Is there a play there?
Randall Arms12:21
Be worth investigating. There's a lot of good science-y stuff behind it, but it could be a correlation.
Peter Brecht12:25
Yeah. Are you guys measuring or seeing a decline in, let's call it incidents because of like what you're rolling out or what you're looking at, or is it more like we're, kind of getting into this. Know what can be accomplished. We're trying to get to that point where we can actually make a difference there.
Randall Arms12:47
Yeah, so great question. So I'll give you an example with Chevron. So Chevron's an investing partner. They're kind like that hair club for men. Not only am I the CEO, but I'm also a client too. Kind of the same thing. They're an investor, but they also use the product. So San Joaquin Valley Wells out there, one of the early adopters for us. They built the program. A lot of people understand like stop water, or sorry, work authority.
Which gives the workers like, I can stop work because it's an unsafe condition. They flipped the script and said, we're going to have to stop water authority. So they built a program around hydration. They saw the need after doing a pilot with us. And this has continued for a couple of years out there in San Joaquin Valley. They're only a year or two of no sifts. And they are directly pushing this to a hydration protocol. They have a very strong protocol there. They have a very understanding of
They put it on the most highest risk worker. And when that highest risk worker gets a nudge to drink, they do a micro break and they stop and drink. And they have a very small rest water shade micro break. Things that we can track. We can show that in our data to say, Hey, your groups are breaking for this long. Their skin temperature has dropped X amount of degrees and they have been in rest for X amount of minutes to again, compliment a typical heat plan.
So interesting to see first year. I was like, man, that's interesting. Let's see if it continues. Obviously second year, their summer season came around. They said the same thing. Hey, we're in two years. And prior to that, they were having four, six, seven sifts per heat season. So not just heat sifts, obviously, but all sifts. So.
You tie that back to operational, like what does that cost the company? What is that? Obviously it's a lagging indicator, but how's that changing our leading indicators and making us more competitive? That's where the ROI comes into play is like, okay, now we're starting to see like actual cost savings here. And, not including like employer wellbeing. The worker side that we see, we've got tons of stories that come out of this. Like people aren't catching cramps.
Peter Brecht14:59
Mm-hmm.
Randall Arms15:09
Or they'll say, I'm drinking all this water, but I'm still catching cramps. What's the deal? Well, maybe pay attention to your sodium. Maybe you're a saltier sweater because everybody's sweat profile is different. You and I could go do the same job. And because you're in Southern California and I'm in Tennessee, it's a different climate. I'm probably going to die doing the same thing. We're digging the same ditch, right?
Peter Brecht15:19
Mm-hmm.
Peter Brecht15:33
Right.
Randall Arms15:36
Just understanding that as a education piece really helps out the understanding like, okay, maybe it is a little bit of more of a sort of a blanket statement. Blanket statements are good, but how do we get the great? And that's where that kind of comes from.
Peter Brecht15:48
Well, in every company too, we've talked to, I don't know how many at this point, but one, one conversation that, that has stuck with me is a question I like to ask is, what's your favorite energy drink? And obviously we get the common answer is the white monster because everyone likes that one or it's Red Bull or it's coffee or Hey, another one I've come across more often than, and which surprised me is I don't drink coffee, no stimulants, but we were talking to Tad Wallace over at C3 oilfield services and
He's like I don't drink anything and he's like and if I catch any of my guys ever drinking an energy drink or something out on the field He's like he's like we're that's a conversation. He's like it's not allowed I thought that was pretty cool. You don't come across many companies that will say that I maybe there are maybe but he was just so open and like I guess direct about it, which was pretty cool, but you know Ted's got a good sense of humor, but he is a more direct person and kind of has his way about him, but
Randall Arms16:25
Yeah. Yeah.
Randall Arms16:39
Yeah.
Peter Brecht16:43
I respect that answer and I can't imagine that those energy drinks are helping anybody.
Randall Arms16:49
There's a, I can't sit here and say, hey, Randall never drinks energy drinks and Randall has this like perfect thing held. Absolutely not. Right. I think we all have our vices somewhere in life. And there's a, do I think there's a place for them? Probably. Right. We run across people in night shift where they kids at home or they have a working wife at home that works from home or.
Peter Brecht16:56
Yeah.
Randall Arms17:16
They just can't get on a good schedule and they're like, hey, I need to pick me up. Need coffee. Need a monster. Need something.
Peter Brecht17:21
Sure. I mean, Red Bull athletes are consuming them left and right. You know, it's kind of a joke. I'm pretty sure it's water. But anyways.
Randall Arms17:26
Yes. I mean, they're, well, having my kids school, I'm like, you guys are giving, 15 year olds, there's access to these caffeinated drinks. I'm like, you, you wonder why they want to fight all the time or do this type of things. But, the, thing about it is, like anything, it's moderation. Same thing with coffee, right? There's a lot of science around the
Peter Brecht17:33
No way.
Peter Brecht17:38
Man.
Peter Brecht17:49
Yeah.
Randall Arms17:53
Like what is your window for caffeine? Where's your window for these things? And I think the education thing is to make sure that you are drinking water. You have to replace fluids. Anytime you have a diuretic, you have to get fluid in your body. I'll tell you a great shameless plug for my boy Keely Bell. By the way, I think you'd be a great person for your podcast. He is like a, I call him the vanilla gorilla, but he has a great mental speak.
And does things like IEDC and all these different conferences, but he has a great, great presentation on understanding intentionality with your health in the oil field. And he preaches that. He's like, look, you got to take care your body. You've got to do certain things. If you're going to do these things like diuretics or you've got to compensate for them. And if you don't, you set yourself up for failure. So it's a really good.
Look at peace and I'll tell you a little bit about why I got into this because I think it's important for people to understand. My dad's my hero. I heard you say it the other day, right? Like your dad is your absolute hero. He is my hero. I try to say this like getting a little bit emotional, but my dad grew up building bridges, working in a quarry, blue collar guy, worked from sun up, down, had a part-time farm. Like the guy was the epitome of staying in the sun.
He had retired about 10 years early due to chronic kidney disease. What people don't realize is if you have like piss poor habits in hydration and nutrition and these things, especially working out in these extreme environments, your body's going to catch up with you, whether you like it or not. Your mind may not, but your body's definitely going to catch up with you. And in talking like, hey, how do I come into this cool novel?
Like company that's got a lot of good stuff and I was talking to him like, I'm great where I'm at, but this is, I lived and breathed this with you because we could set a clock to when he would go into heat stress or go into heat exhaustion or the other two heat strokes that he had. Like literally like the first week of June, he'd climb out of a track hoe and fall out, you know? So I was like, if we had something like this, some type of tool that would help you understand how your body did more than just.
Peter Brecht19:56
Man.
Randall Arms20:12
I need to get thirsty, need to take a drink of water. What would you have done? What did it help you at 35 in the 80s or, in the early 90s? Typical blue collar answer, love of the dead. He's like, well, it sure as hell wouldn't hurt. I was like, okay. So that's kind of my legacy play into talking to the companies is like, I just want to say the next 35 year old dad that is pounding monsters or is, trying to get through that.
Peter Brecht20:14
Mm-hmm.
Peter Brecht20:39
Totally. Yeah, what is it about 35? That is the number, I'm like, I'm right there myself. And my wife is like, look, she's very health conscious, crunchy as they call them, but and to make it worse, like not the so Cal, but like, just like good and like eating and all that. And she's like, you got to go get a blood panel, like not just the one from the doctor, but like a full on cause they do them. And she did one a couple, I almost like a year ago or whatever.
Randall Arms20:44
I don't know man.
Randall Arms21:05
Yeah.
Peter Brecht21:08
The blood panel came back, we're the same age and it was like she's like, it came back and I'm 24 years old based on my profile. I'm like, good for me. But, I'm pretty sure mine's gonna tell me 60. So it's like that first step of like, go get the thing done. And then, understanding it. And yeah, there's so much to unpack with all that.
Randall Arms21:27
We, I think we don't want to feel like we're invincible, right? We don't want to say like, we're on this down slope kind of thing. And it's, I feel like there's people like you, like your wife would tell you, get a blood panel and there's people that go by a boat and some kind of crazy car and do something nuts or a Corvette, you know.
Peter Brecht21:30
Right, of course. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Peter Brecht21:43
I was at the doctor two days ago for my annual physical and well annual physical. I went like three years ago anyways. And I'm sitting there and he's like, Hey, like these are your numbers. He's like, how is everything going? And I literally, I had some things I wanted to tell him. And I'm like, I just, feel as a man, maybe this is a guy thing, but I'm like, I feel like embarrassed to tell you that I'm not like that. I'm not able to do a certain thing or like, this is what I'm experiencing. But the reality is, look, we're all humans. So
If you're listening to this, you're an oil and gas, just look, it doesn't mean you got to go out and do anything crazy. Just maybe drink some water, keep it simple. And then if you want to reach Randall, I will have a link in bio for you guys to reach out. He's got some really interesting posts on his LinkedIn and is there anywhere else that people can find you?
Randall Arms22:12
Yeah.
Randall Arms22:20
Pay attention to your body.
Randall Arms22:31
Yeah, well, I don't know when this will come out, but I can tell you that Chevron's doing a really interesting heat management talk at the API in Houston at the petroleum club. API is putting that on for Houston chapter. Natalie Martin out there, great, great person who's really diving into the science and understanding the reason why Chevron went down this road. It's not all...
Peter Brecht22:43
OK. Yeah.
Randall Arms22:58
Glory, there's bumps and bruises along the way and tech adoption and how the hell we get from heat stress to hydration kind of thing. And she does a really good job to explain that because she was in the trenches with this thing. If anybody's in the Houston world, there's that. But we'll be at different shows. I feel like I need an apartment in Midland or Lubbock somewhere out there right now as much as we get traveling. But tis the season.
Peter Brecht23:19
Yeah, no kidding.
Randall Arms23:25
We're out and about everywhere. I think we'll be at the, in Tucson at the energy workforce conference coming up at the of the month. So again, evangelistic education and then let you guys decide what you want to do with it. But we just need to get the word out that hydration is a leading indicator that affects a lot of things. And there's a lot of science behind it. Sports athletes use it every day, right? So it's a
We're just taking that world into the industrial world to keep our people safe and not better going home.
Peter Brecht23:57
Love it. Randall. Thank you so much for your time. I'll catch up with you here. I'm very, very soon. I'm sure. So have a good afternoon. Later.
Randall Arms24:00
Yeah.
Randall Arms24:04
Yeah, all right. Take care. We'll see you guys. Bye.