Oil & Gas Data, Memes, and Conspiracies

Zac00:00

How do you do it? She's like, no, how do you do it?

Peter Brecht00:03

Yeah.

Zac00:03

I don't understand the question. It sounds basic, but, And I was like, well, I get my phone out and I go, Send. Some of it has some thought behind it and a lot of it doesn't. It's just what I think is funny. If I think it's funny and it makes me laugh, then I send it usually.

Peter Brecht00:10

Yeah.

Right.

All right, welcome to Local Energy. My name is Peter Brecht. I'm here with my co-host Wade Spear and we are talking with Zach Copeland today, Mineral Guru and Meme Lord actually. You guys have seen him on Twitter. I'm sure he's on Collide, he's on LinkedIn, he's all over the place. But Zach, how are you doing?

Zac00:33

Hmm.

Wade00:33

You

Zac00:40

Pretty good. Thanks for having me.

Peter Brecht00:41

Yeah, what's new and exciting in your world?

Zac00:43

New and exciting. Well, we're supposed to go ski tomorrow. You season at the local mountain. Opens tomorrow. We'll see if we have enough snow to go. But yeah, skis are on the wall back there. They're ready. I'm ready. There's snow,

Peter Brecht00:50

Yeah?

Wade00:56

That's awesome.

Peter Brecht00:56

Yeah.

Wade00:58

Now are you from Oklahoma before that? Yeah.

Peter Brecht00:58

And you're, yeah, same question.

Zac01:00

Yeah,

Oklahoma originally. I was born and raised in Claremore, Oklahoma and then I had lived that side of the state for about half of my life in the Oklahoma City area for about the other half until I moved here. Yep, Claremore zebras.

Wade01:05

Okay.

Okay, awesome.

It's so funny, my kids, so we moved to Tulsa here about eight years ago and we were playing up at Claremore and I had to like look up what the mascot was because there was, some like, I can't remember if it was weird stripes or whatever it was. I was like, oh my gosh, what is this deal? And then I had to look up the history of the Claremore zebras and like where that came from. I think it had something to do with the circus at one point. Maybe I'm just making that up. I can't remember what it was.

It's either that or we played Ringling too, which I think Ringling actually had something to do with like the Ringling, one of the Ringling brothers. Yeah, like they used to, yeah. So I'm getting my Oklahoma history mixed up here,

Peter Brecht01:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Zac01:53

No, you're

Right. There's something to do with the stripes and we were supposed to be the tigers and then the uniforms got sent incorrectly. I don't know how they, being the zebras, red and white stripes, but.

Wade02:02

Okay, yeah.

Yep,

That's exactly what it was. It was red and white stripes. We were playing volleyball and I was like, everybody, we were all just so confused. Awesome. So where are you at now? You're up Northwest, right? Like Montana? Bozeman, Montana. How do you like it? Yeah? Okay. A little different than Oklahoma, I imagine.

Zac02:12

Let's cut that.

Yeah, Bozeman, Montana. That's great. It's a good place to be. Yeah.

Peter Brecht02:22

Yeah,

It's a little...

Zac02:25

Quite a lot different, Yeah, scenery's a lot different. People aren't terribly different. There's, it's a, I know, I like it. It kind of reminds me of parts of Oklahoma, like Stillwater, Claremore, smaller towns that have a college, but then there's a mountain that I can see out the window where you can go skiing, so that's primary difference.

Peter Brecht02:26

Yeah.

Wade02:30

Okay.

Mm-hmm. Okay.

I got you.

Peter Brecht02:46

I mean, I saw a couple of weeks ago you were out in Midland and then you're Baton Rouge in Louisiana, like all these fun places. I mean, you travel a bit for work or like what's the story behind all that?

Zac02:54

I mean, I go as needed. Most of the work is done here in this room now. Yeah, I go to NAEP in February every year and have a booth and go to Midland, Dallas, Houston, major oil and gas hubs, different conferences or see clients, stuff like that.

Peter Brecht03:00

Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah.

Makes sense.

Gotcha. Wade, are you going to NAIP this year or no?

Zac03:16

Ciao!

Wade03:17

I have never been to Nape.

Peter Brecht03:18

Okay, all right. I think I'm gonna go this year. I don't know. I'm thinking about it. I'm toying with the idea at least. Don't know. Just to, gotta go once, you know? I've never been myself.

Wade03:26

Did they let engineers

In there? I thought it was just for like laying the bro.

Peter Brecht03:29

Hahaha! Yeah.

Zac03:29

Yeah, lots of engineers.

Peter Brecht03:33

Tell us about forecast. I look at your posts and you're like probably the most prolific poster and I think that's a compliment more than anything else. It means you're top of mind constantly. But tell me about forecast like the meat and potatoes what you guys do and explain it to me like I'm a five year old because that's probably the best place to start.

Zac03:52

A simple way of describing it, it helps people evaluate oil and gas properties. So oil and gas deals. User.

Takes the software has a partnership with data company called Rex tag. And then we did a collaboration with new tech. So it's like an all in one type of application. Some people have kind of referred to it like Zillow for minerals. I don't necessarily agree with that comparison because Zillow is just taking, market.

Peter Brecht04:07

Yeah.

Zac04:19

Prices of what things have sold for and aggregating that but we're automating the engineering workflow so it's not so much based on what things have sold for but what things are worth in a given moment.

Peter Brecht04:20

Yeah.

Okay,

Gotcha. And so if I was effectively like looking to go buy oil wells or something like that along those lines, like that's when I would say, okay, I need something like your service to evaluate if it even makes sense to do it economically. Is that right? Okay.

Zac04:46

Yep, you can take the software and prospect to go find what else to buy.

All stuff that you have, make sure you get the best price for it.

Peter Brecht05:06

Wade on your side of things like on the engineering side, is this something that you would use or where would this kind of fall into the workflow of your world?

Wade05:13

I think it definitely, not necessarily on the drilling engineering side. We use like an Inveris or a drilling info, but I'm usually looking at like casing seats and well board designs and all that. We're not in, we're not really involved in the deal flow a lot, just kind of on that drilling operation side. But I think definitely on the land side or whatnot, I think that that'd be something that they'd look at. And so that kind of leads me, like one of the questions I had was,

Peter Brecht05:16

Yeah.

Wade05:42

I would imagine there's competitors in the space. Is like an Inveris or an IHS or somebody like that. Those are kind of behemoths, right? Whatever you think of them. But is that kind of, is that who you'd say the biggest competitors for kind of forecast are doing something similar?

Zac05:57

From.

Yeah, from the data perspective, probably I kind of products in two different buckets and this space, there's data and there are tools, right? Some applications have data incorporated and some don't. Ours does. We focus on the tool side more than the data side. So that's why we partnered with Rex tag and worked with new tech and taken some large steps to help improve the.

Wade06:08

Right.

Peter Brecht06:14

Mm.

Zac06:25

Overall public database that we provide through those vendors. So that's a long answer. Didn't really answer the question, but in Varus and IHS would probably be considered competitors. They called me five years ago and told me that we were a competitor and that we weren't allowed to use their products. So that probably confirms it.

Peter Brecht06:30

Okay.

Wade06:43

Gotcha.

Peter Brecht06:43

I would say so. Is something where it's like, we have all the states at once or we have all the data at once? You you adding in different basins as you go or how did the evolution of this kind of go? Because it sounds like, if five years ago you were told that you were a competitor, it's like you started somewhere. So how did you get to where you're at now?

Zac07:01

In the very beginning we just manually scraped.

100 Oklahoma wells as a test for the prototype Went into the OTC and I think literally hand typed out data for some fairly new horizontal wells use that to kind of create the test case and then over time built relationships with data partners first worked with mineral answers and Did that for a while and then eventually met Rex tag and kind of transitioned over to that?

And yeah, so that's how it began. We were building it effectively for ourselves internally to use it as like a consulting entity, but that was during COVID-2020 and there was no consulting revenue to be found anywhere. So we thought we'd try and see what software sales was like.

Peter Brecht07:34

Yeah.

Wade07:45

Right.

Peter Brecht07:46

Right?

Yeah.

Right. And what's like your oil and gas background? Like what led you to this point where you're like, okay, I'm to go start my own thing because that's not an easy decision, right? I don't think a lot of people wake up and say, I'm going to go kind of hang my hat on my own thing. What brought you to that conclusion?

Zac08:03

Introduction to oil and gas I guess was during banking worked at a bank called Bank 7 in Little Quam City that we were doing some niche type of regional oil and gas lending not not to niche pretty standard you know PDP lending and some other types of lending on assets so that's where I first kind of ran into people in the industry that were doing oil and gas deals and then along the way

Peter Brecht08:07

Okay.

Zac08:26

Was approached by a guy to go leave banking and start a company. So 2017, I left banking and went and started another mineral non-op type of company in Oklahoma City. We chased EOG around for about three years.

Peter Brecht08:41

As I'm kind of like thinking through like software, AI, all this too, Wade and I, Wade's got some really cool AI ideas and I think everyone's got a cool idea that they're like, I'm gonna try this out and see what happens. But in your world with what you're building,

Wade08:52

Yeah.

Peter Brecht08:56

I'm sure it's something you're thinking about, but is it something you guys are implementing or using to kind of see patterns in data or is it more like case by case and you it's not you're really more of the data warehouse or like how does that that play into it?

Zac09:09

Well, as far as like all the scripting, our developers write all of the code in-house and we do not use AI tools to build the scripts that are running behind the scenes. That's kind of been a policy from the beginning. We're not putting our code into open source or anywhere else that is not secure.

Peter Brecht09:28

Hmph.

Zac09:29

And

Then Andrew and Alex, Andrew sat on the AI's use cases and oil and gas technology panel at NAEP for the last, I don't know, three or four years or however long it's been relevant. So perspective on what AI is and isn't is kind of granular compared to the way a lot of people talk about it.

Peter Brecht09:53

Okay,

You got a team of is it five or six of you guys now or and plus I mean, that's just what you have on the front and then you got to probably a bunch of people in the back end.

Zac10:00

No, we got five total at this point. Trenton, Oklahoma city. He's the director of sales, Alex and Andrew Houston, their developers backgrounds with geology and geophysics. And then Jolene is in Calgary. She's another developer. Yeah, two developers and two sales guys.

Peter Brecht10:03

Okay, gotcha.

Yeah.

Okay, so

Now, your username, this is embarrassing to say, but I thought you were in a non-account on Twitter for the longest time because your username was rippingwhale, and I didn't actually look at your username. What does that mean? What is rippingwhale? I have to know.

Zac10:30

Kind

Of like a play on the concept of roaring kitty

Peter Brecht10:34

Absolutely. How could you forget? Yeah. Great movie on top of that if you've ever seen it.

Wade10:34

Yeah.

Zac10:39

I think I changed it to that ripping whale name after watching that movie for the first time. We were kind of doing the same things. He's showing people stuff and people are buying and selling stuff based on what he's saying in meme form, you know.

Peter Brecht10:44

Okay, all right.

Wade10:45

Didn't.

Peter Brecht10:49

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay, I

Like it.

Wade10:55

Wasn't your profile picture the Catoosa whale there at one point too?

Zac10:59

Yeah.

Yeah, it still is.

Wade11:00

Okay, alright, I didn't know if it changed or not.

Peter Brecht11:00

Yeah.

Zac11:03

It reminds me of where I came from, I guess. One way of thinking about it.

Peter Brecht11:08

And then so as I'm kind of thinking through a question, another question I have is like, I saw a post a couple days ago, I don't want to read into it too much because I wanted to ask you, but who owns the mineral rights on the moon? And do you think we'll ever find oil on the moon?

Zac11:24

Hmm, I have no idea who actually owns the mineral rights on the moon.

Peter Brecht11:28

I mean, it's a good question. Thought maybe there's oil and gas there. I just didn't know.

Zac11:31

There it

Wade11:31

You get deep enough

On the web and they'll tell you nobody's ever been there. So it's never been climbed, it's like, it's still up for grabs.

Peter Brecht11:35

I know, let's not get into that one. I mean, I guess we could ask,

Zach, have we ever been to the, have you been in there in first place is really the question.

Wade11:41

Yeah

Zac11:42

I haven't been there, so I can't confirm if we have.

Peter Brecht11:45

Yeah,

Fair enough.

Wade11:46

My gosh.

Zac11:47

That conspiracy is not one that I go into very often. We go into other oil and gas conspiracy.

Wade11:51

You

Peter Brecht11:53

Yeah. What's your favorite oil and gas conspiracy? Let's just ask the question.

Zac11:58

That everything is becoming reconsolidated back into standard oil. I don't know if that's of piracy as much as you can actually see it kind of happening.

Peter Brecht12:02

Okay.

Yeah, okay.

Wade12:08

That's

Something I hadn't heard people talk about. Okay, I'm running in different circles. That's an interesting one.

Zac12:11

I'm gonna

Peter Brecht12:11

Huh.

Zac12:13

Look at the graph of standard oil breaking apart and look at where all of those entities are now. It's hard to, once you see it for the first time, it's like, it's all coming back together. Now it's major super.

Wade12:18

Okay.

Peter Brecht12:18

Yeah.

Interesting. Well, and you're looking

At the data all day long, it's probably, it just becomes more more obvious the more you look at it, right?

Zac12:34

Yeah, challenging commodity price environments, they seem to be the most likely to survive. Downturn, go buy stuff for cheap, roll it into what they have, apply efficiencies, and get bigger and bigger.

Peter Brecht12:38

You

Yeah, okay.

Yeah.

Interesting. Huh. Not something I thought of at all. It wasn't even on my radar.

Zac12:53

The Buddha gate one is kind interesting. Sometimes I still go back and look at it and see if it's worth talking about again and I don't know.

Wade12:54

That one was pretty fun for a while there.

I was gonna say I saw an article about her just a few days ago and I was like, I hadn't heard about that in a couple of years it felt like.

Zac13:10

Yeah, don't know. It died for me the day that I asked Andrew, and he's geophysicist and has mapped most of Texas in many formations. And I just asked him, does this have any legs to it? He's like, no, you should not think about that anymore. Was like, OK.

Wade13:25

You've already spent too much time on it.

Zac13:27

For me, you already did all the research somehow.

Peter Brecht13:32

All right. I got to ask and we'll keep digging, dig into this, but I, your meme game is off the charts. There are AI tools out there now that can create memes. I think you're an organic kind of guy. You do it yourself. You think through it. I was in Oklahoma city a couple months ago and

Yeah, I actually asked him like, what should I be doing? What should I be seeing my first time there? You gave me a bunch of great ideas as a previous resident, but even then you sent me I was like, here, I got a meme idea and you came up with it in like two seconds and it was good. But how do you like how does your brain operate? Because I can't I'm I haven't seen a lot of movies. I'm not really in on pop culture. I'm not good with memes. I don't understand half of them.

How do you craft this? Where is this coming from? Was it playing a lot of video games as a kid where you're just in on the culture like that, or what's the story?

Zac14:23

I don't know. It's just the way that my brain works. I played some video games as a kid, I guess, but enough to be a gamer necessarily. It's just the way that my brain works. Somebody came up to me at NAIC this year and asked who's like the marketing director for one of our competitors. And I hope you're watching this because I'm going to tell this story. Pretty wasted and came up to me. It's like Zach.

Peter Brecht14:26

It's just how it is. It's impressive. Can't... Yeah. Yeah. Right. Okay.

Okay.

Zac14:48

I love your memes, how do you do this?

What do mean? How do you do it? She's like, no, how do you do it?

Peter Brecht14:54

Yeah.

Zac14:54

I don't understand the question. It sounds basic, but, and she's being literal, like you're asking literally, how do you do it? And I was like, well, I get my phone out and I go, Send. Some of it has some thought behind it and a lot of it doesn't. It's just what I think is funny. If I think it's funny and it makes me laugh, then I send it usually.

Peter Brecht15:04

Yeah.

Right.

I mean, there's my brother is, let's see, he's 19 and like, he's good at this stuff. And he's like, you can use like, there's like image flip or whatever these tools are. And it's like, it's supposed to make the job easier. But and I like marketing and stuff, but I'm more of a like, pick up the phone or go meet the person kind of guy, but I've always been fascinated by that. So I just want to say I appreciate the frequent smile on my face when I see your stuff is always a welcome.

Zac15:34

Cool.

Well, glad to provide value somehow. Image split is what I use a lot of the time though.

Peter Brecht15:44

Right. Good to know. There's got to be. I mean, it's like that or I mean, I don't even know what else you'd use Photoshop.

Zac15:49

Image flip, Giphy,

Canva sometimes.

Peter Brecht15:57

Yeah, the real question is,

Wait, have you ever created a meme is the real thing I'm like getting to here at the end of it. You have? My God, I wouldn't have thought that see Wade is like such a buttoned up engineer, you know that I don't think he'd be

Wade16:03

Oh yeah. Yeah, 100%. Oh yeah.

Zac16:04

Sure. Sure.

Wade16:10

I will only

Share them with people I 1000 % trust because I'm always afraid of repercussions. I'm one of those, don't burn bridges because you never know when you might have to cross them again kind of a deal. So for me, I probably think about it a little too much.

Zac16:15

Mm-hmm. That means they're edgy.

Peter Brecht16:16

It's great.

Yeah.

Yeah, but I mean, but what's this mean? I mean, like I co-host of the podcast and I didn't even know you created them. I feel like I'm out of the inside circle. Oh, man. That's a good point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's inside. Fair enough. Fair enough. Yeah, I gotcha.

Wade16:37

I don't share them, so what's the point of creating them? You know what I mean? It's just for personal consumption only, I guess.

Zac16:45

Alex and Andrew,

Our two guys are actually really good at making memes too. And sometimes they'll make one and send them to me and I'll post it. Usually I tell people that they made it. But Andrew and Alex are very clever and have good senses of humor. And they can make really good technical meme content for this niche, you know. They don't do it as often as I would like, because they're really good, honestly.

Peter Brecht16:50

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

Well, they're busy working, right? That's kind of the idea. Yeah, right.

Zac17:11

Yeah, they do important. Yeah.

Wade17:15

Okay

Peter Brecht17:15

So your day job then like you're you're more on like the sales side then or is that kind of the idea? Okay Yeah, Okay

Zac17:15

Somebody asked.

Yeah, I'm going to do a lot of the customer interfacing, all pretty much all of the training.

Unless it gets to a point of where people are asking questions that I don't know the answers to, then we bring in Andrew or Alex and give technical answers to things that I don't even know how to do in there. But I train probably 95 % of all the clients.

Peter Brecht17:40

Yeah.

Okay, gotcha.

Wade17:44

Okay.

Zac17:45

Yeah, some

Get set up on weekly recurring. So a lot of my calendar says training, at least an hour or two a day with somebody. Looking for stuff on energy net to post about or doing something. I mean, I do all the administrative stuff also, which is my least favorite thing to do. And that's what I'm doing today. So I'm very happy to be here talking to you instead of looking at QuickBooks or.

Peter Brecht17:51

Yeah.

Yeah.

Wade18:05

The

Peter Brecht18:07

Yeah.

Year end, right? It's always fun, especially.

Zac18:09

Born.

Yeah, and we just switched banks, so yeah. Just like changing credit cards for vendors and all that jazz that goes along with it. It's gotta be the most boring thing we could talk about, so we shouldn't.

Peter Brecht18:15

My gosh, I feel for you. That's terrible.

Yeah.

Yeah, switching banks. It's cool. Which bank? No, I'm kidding. We'll move on. So any exciting plans for the rest of the year as you're wrapping up or are you really just going to be staring at QuickBooks?

Zac18:34

I'm gonna go skiing as many times as I can.

Peter Brecht18:36

Okay. Yeah. I mean, you're up in, yeah, you might as well where you're at now. There's plenty of it.

Zac18:41

I was gonna go to see Goose and Concert tomorrow and Saturday. A band called Goose.

Peter Brecht18:48

Goose, a bet, okay.

Zac18:50

I had a couple of beers that night and realized that I can go do this if I want to. So I ripped off 500 bucks to buy tickets for two nights. And then woke up the next morning and looked at my calendar and was like, I cannot go. I need to do this podcast. And I got work things that I need to do.

Peter Brecht18:56

Okay.

Yeah.

Zac19:08

And I had overpaid by about double, unfortunately, they were not, they were third party tickets. So I just ended up eating 250 bucks for a concert that I'm not going to tomorrow.

Peter Brecht19:09

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah.

Wade19:21

Wow.

Peter Brecht19:22

Well, if Goose hears this, maybe they'll refund you. We never know. I've never heard of that band before in my life. And I feel like I know some pretty weird bands, just kinda all over the place, but I've never heard of Goose before. Well, weird's tough, but it's like everyone says, I knew Goose before they were big. It's like, I don't know. We'll see how that goes, you know?

Zac19:25

I bet they won't.

They're not weird, they're just awesome.

Wade19:38

Alright.

Zac19:44

Goose

Kind of started out big. They came out during COVID and one of their dads has some big agency that helped them like really push hard on marketing during COVID when concerts were getting canceled. So while everybody was canceling concerts, they're just like pushing live stream concerts and stuff that people would stop doing.

Peter Brecht19:47

Okay.

Yeah.

Did you go

Through your Spotify raps or do you not use Spotify?

Zac20:07

No, I use Apple music. People really don't like the answer either.

Peter Brecht20:09

Okay, all right.

That's I don't

I've used both. I see. I think as I have kids, so I use Spotify for my music and then my wife uses we have Apple Music for the kids music because it's just too much work and then I don't want my music mixing in. And I know that sounds really selfish. But the reality is, if you listen to the Twilight or not, Twilight, you listen to like the Frozen soundtrack or Winnie the Pooh multiple times. It like and it's in your playlist. It's just not fun. So I have a three year old and a six year old. So Frozen has been

Zac20:30

Thank

How old are your kids?

Peter Brecht20:39

Like the only thing that they have been singing for the past three months and it's been tough.

Zac20:45

Have they seen K-Pop Demon Hunters?

Wade20:47

Hahaha

Peter Brecht20:47

I not not

Something not something we let our kids watch but the neighbor kids went through that phase and it was it was a sight to see or hear rather. Yeah, yeah, it's kids are they it's infectious, it's tough and then I then all my friends they have older kids, most of my friends are mid 40s, early 50s, like I have a lot of older friends and they're like, wait until your kids are in their teenage teenage years and they're listening to Taylor Swift.

Zac20:58

Lot.

Peter Brecht21:14

24-7 and I'm like, I'm not gonna let that happen, but it's probably gonna happen, as I don't know

Wade21:18

Well, that's the funny thing.

Like with my son, like his listening age was a 47. He's a 15 year old. His listening age was 47 on Spotify wrapped and mine was 26. So we were a little bit inverse right there. Yeah. Yeah. But my kids love like red dirt country and all that. It's pretty awesome. It's making the drives a whole lot easier whenever we're like, listening to Dilla Gossett or Turnpike Troubadours or something like that. Yeah. Yeah.

Peter Brecht21:25

That's amazing.

Zac21:31

It's interesting.

Peter Brecht21:31

Yeah. Yes.

Zac21:43

Mm-hmm. Yeah,

Peter Brecht21:43

Right. It's good that

Zac21:45

What?

Peter Brecht21:45

Your family's into music too though. Like not everyone's into like not a lot of families are into music as much, right? So it's kind of cool to hear.

Wade21:48

Right.

Well.

Zac21:52

Kids like it. But once you get out of the Disney phase, then you can listen to good stuff again. But when you're stuck in Frozen, times are, it's a dark time. I was there for a long time.

Wade21:57

That's right.

Peter Brecht21:57

Yeah, exactly.

It's, yeah,

My wife this morning, she's like poured a cup of coffee, she's like, I wake up and our daughter, she's already belting songs from her bedroom. And I'm like, the songs are never gonna leave our head ever. Like this is just, it's endless, so.

Wade22:18

Oh,

I don't even want to know how many times my wife like, especially back in the day, like she's taking kids to school and they're like DVDs playing or whatever, half the time it's just in the background. But like, I don't want to know how many times she's heard like Toy Story 3 or Frozen 2 or whatever it is, you know.

Peter Brecht22:28

Yep. Yeah.

Oh yeah.

Zac22:35

Yeah.

Peter Brecht22:35

Yeah, I still got favorites though. Like I'll watch Cars. If you want me to get a good Pixar film, Cars. I'll watch Cars all day long. That's a great movie. I can see it a million times and I'll keep going. Good stuff. Well, Zach, we're not gonna hold you up talking about music for the rest of the day, even though I'd love to keep chatting, but give us a hand off. Where can people follow you if they're not already? Because the reality is they probably are.

Wade22:42

Alright. Alright. Yep.

Zac22:56

Well...

I've heard some people are in real life. Let's see our company website is forecast.io number four, C A S T dot IO link. And I'm on there pretty much all the time. It's probably open right now on the other screen. It is a Twitter handle is Zach. You're at C A C U R A T E. Those the few places that I post most of the time. I opened Instagram for the first time in like three years the other day and realized that

Peter Brecht23:05

All right.

Okay.

Zac23:24

Mine's garbage, like looking at other people's Instagram that actually use it and know what they're doing. Mine's just terrible, because it's just auto repost from Facebook, and I hardly put anything on there. So short answer, Twitter and LinkedIn most of the time.

Peter Brecht23:26

Yeah.

Yeah.

Awesome, well, I'll make sure I link those in the show notes. Zach, good to see you on camera for the first time in real life and hopefully I'll actually get to meet you in person sometime.

Wade23:39

Alright.

Zac23:48

Need to go to Nate. He'll definitely see me there.

Peter Brecht23:50

Absolutely.

I'll keep planning on it and if it happens I'll be hitting you up.

Zac23:55

I'll peer pressure you on social media. We'll see. And the NAEP people respond to me, so we're going to get them involved, and then it'll get super heavy. I bet you'll go. We'll find out.

Peter Brecht24:03

All right, sounds good. Love it. Well, hey, Wade, Zach,

Wade24:03

Alright.

Peter Brecht24:06

Have a great afternoon and we'll catch you all soon. Thank you. All right, bye.

Zac24:09

Thanks.

Wade24:09

Peace guys.