Non-Operated Oil and Gas Assets: Red Stag Resources Explains
In a recent episode of the Local Energy podcast, Peter Brecht sat down with Matt Dangel, CEO, and Richard Ball, COO, of Red Stag Resources — a non-operated capital partner focused on conventional oil and gas assets in the lower 48. The conversation covered everything from how non-operated interests actually work and why conventional assets are being overlooked, to career advice for the next generation of energy professionals and what it was like when WTI went negative in April 2020.
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Timestamps
- 0:00 – The elk hunt in Wyoming and breaking four ribs
- 0:57 – Welcome and guest introductions
- 1:49 – Matt's three engineering degrees and career path from computer chips to oil and gas
- 3:28 – What does non-operated mean in oil and gas?
- 3:56 – How JOAs govern operator and non-op partner decisions
- 4:54 – Red Stag's secret sauce: conventional expertise as a non-op partner
- 6:10 – Working with multiple operators and ethics
- 7:10 – How Matt and Richard met and started Red Stag
- 8:30 – Basin focus and what's changed in conventional assets
- 10:11 – AI and data tools in the conventional oil and gas world
- 11:19 – Key variables in well economics and multivariate testing
- 12:58 – Oil price volatility and the impact of a single tweet
- 13:39 – Matt and Richard's complementary skill sets
- 16:26 – Career advice for students entering oil and gas
- 18:08 – How to build a pitch deck for raising capital
- 20:05 – Operator selection and working lean as a two-person team
- 20:57 – Geographic focus: lower 48 conventional basins
- 22:00 – The Chevron corner office story
- 26:28 – Where were you when WTI went negative in April 2020?
- 29:32 – Where to find Red Stag Resources
Technical Non-Op Investing in Conventional Oil & Gas: 2026 Guide
Technical non-op investing in conventional oil and gas is emerging as one of the most interesting strategies in the 2026 upstream market. As supermajors and large independents concentrate on shale manufacturing, a new class of technically sophisticated non-operated partners is targeting mature conventional assets for cash flow and upside.
This article is based on a Local Energy conversation with Red Stag Resources co-founders Matt Dangel and Richard Ball. Their thesis is clear: the old passive non-op model is being replaced by technical non-operators who bring engineering and geology to the table, not just capital.
What Are Non-Operated Oil and Gas Assets?
If you hear “non-operated” and think something is broken, you are not alone. Peter asked the same question during the interview, and the answer is simpler than it sounds.
A non-operated working interest is an equity stake in a producing oil and gas asset in which the investor is not responsible for day-to-day field operations. The operator handles production, equipment, and personnel. The non-operating partner pays their proportional share of costs and receives their share of revenue.
“Your operator is the group that makes sure that everything runs smoothly in the field and takes care of the asset base as a whole,” Richard explained. “The non-operating partner is typically one who pays a portion share of the interest.”
The Joint Operating Agreement
Most agreements between operators and non-op partners are governed by a Joint Operating Agreement (JOA), which spells out decision thresholds: at what dollar amount or operational significance the operator needs consent from the non-op side. As Matt put it, “I don’t want to get a call every day from the field asking someone if they can move from Brand X to Brand Y chemicals. That is a good operational decision. As a non-op partner, I really don’t have any insight or value to add.”
What Makes Red Stag Different?
Most non-operated partners write a check and hope the operator calls them as little as possible. Red Stag takes the opposite approach, leaning into the technical relationship.
The Technical Foundation
Matt and Richard bring nearly 40 years of combined experience across petroleum engineering, geology, and investment banking. Matt is a Registered Professional Engineer who holds degrees in petroleum, chemical, and electrical engineering from Texas A&M. He spent six years at Chevron redeveloping California oil and Texas gas assets, followed by 12 years at Hilcorp Energy, where he led asset development, brownfield redevelopment, and acquisitions and divestitures.
Richard is a geologist who worked in the San Juan Basin, the deepwater Gulf of Mexico, and conventional assets in Angola during his time at Chevron, then moved into sell-side advisory work with Future Energy Advisors.
Bringing More Than Capital
“Our secret sauce, the magic we bring as a non-operating partner, is experience in the conventional field,” Richard said. “We are actually there to say we want to provide support wherever we can and help generate projects, help make sure things are running efficiently, and also be the non-operating partner per standard definition.”
That combination of buy-side (Matt) and sell-side (Richard) deal experience is what they describe as their competitive edge. They do not just bring capital; they bring project generation, ranking, and technical reinforcement to operators who welcome outside expertise in workovers, recompletions, and drilling campaigns.
Why Conventional Non-Op Deals Are Back in 2026
Several forces are driving interest in conventional non-op assets in 2026. Large corporate mergers have pushed majors and large independents to divest mature conventional fields that no longer fit their core unconventional focus. That portfolio rationalization is creating a deeper secondary market for producing conventional working interests.
At the same time, WTI pricing in the low to mid 80s per barrel has kept cash flow strong for low-decline, low-capex assets. While minerals, royalties, and operated assets often trade at elevated valuations, non-operated conventional interests can transact at more attractive multiples, especially when a buyer can add technical value alongside the operator.
Shale Decline Versus Conventional Staying Power
Shale and conventional assets look similar on a map, but their decline and capital profiles differ significantly. Shale wells can deliver impressive early rates, then drop sharply; operators must keep drilling to hold production flat. That treadmill can be efficient at scale, but it is highly capital-intensive.
Conventional reservoirs, by contrast, often deliver a long production life with shallower decline curves and lower ongoing capital needs. Conventional assets are typically higher-porosity, higher-permeability formations that have been producing for decades, and in some cases, for more than a century. Ball noted that some conventional assets “a hundred years plus are still on production today,” a reminder that conventional assets are less about chasing the next well and more about disciplined redevelopment and operations.
Why Conventional Expertise Is Now Scarce
One of the main reasons this opportunity exists is a long-term shift in talent toward unconventionals. Over the last 15 to 20 years, most training and technical development within large companies has focused on shale plays. Richard noted that “most of our training and personnel development over the last 17, 18 years has been very much focused on unconventionals,” leaving conventional assets comparatively underserved.
Red Stag sees that gap as a market opportunity. Matt and Richard “actually have the expertise in the conventional world,” as Richard put it, and they are applying that expertise in basins where conventional assets and strong regulatory environments intersect, including Wyoming, Kansas, Oklahoma, North Texas, South Texas, and other lower 48 regions. When those skills are paired with conservative underwriting and aligned operators, conventional non-op interests can offer a differentiated mix of cash flow and technical upside.
Data, AI, and the Conventional Oil Field
Peter asked how data and technology are affecting the non-op side. Richard was measured in his assessment: AI is not yet revolutionizing conventional assets, but practical tools are making a difference. “I would not say that AI is serving up the world of conventional assets in any special way at this point,” he said, “but there are tools out there you can get your hands on that will help you take field notes, look at the scribbles on the side of a well log that are paper copy, and convert those into readable format.”
The Multivariate Testing Challenge
The bigger challenge, Richard explained, is multivariate testing. When multiple variables change during a workover — opening a new zone, changing surface conditions, modifying the completion design — it becomes difficult to isolate what actually improved or hurt production. A conservative approach, testing one variable at a time, is typically the safest path forward. This is where a technical non-op can push for better test design, clearer success criteria, and more repeatable learning.
How April 2020 Still Shapes Today’s Risk Thinking
April 20, 2020, remains a key reference point for disciplined upstream investors. On that day, the May WTI futures contract famously settled at deeply negative prices, a product of demand collapse, storage constraints at Cushing, and the mechanics of expiring contracts tied to physical delivery. It was a powerful reminder that price can move in ways that feel disconnected from long-term fundamentals.
Matt was working for an operator at the time, watching from his home office during early COVID lockdowns. His company was well hedged, which softened the immediate blow, but the uncertainty was real. “After you let the emotion lapse a little bit, and you think — so no one is ever going to drive a car again? No petroleum feedstocks will ever be used in any plastic, paint, or pharmaceutical ever again? Really?” he recalled. “And the answer to that is no.” That balance between short-term volatility and long-term usage is exactly why sophisticated non-ops still stress-test deals at lower price decks and design conservative capital structures instead of assuming high prices will last.
Career Advice for the Next Generation
A significant portion of the conversation was dedicated to career guidance for students considering oil and gas. Richard shared his own pivot: he entered college as a business and computer science major, but a summer geology class changed his path. He recalled being told, “You are not just a geologist focused on hard rock or environmental or petroleum. You are just a geologist enjoying the science and seeing where it takes you.”
His advice for anyone entering college today is straightforward. Find the thing you genuinely enjoy studying, commit to it, and the career path will follow, even if the market does not cooperate immediately. Matt’s background reinforces the same point from a different angle. With three engineering degrees and a career that started in computer chips before pivoting to energy, he believes the barriers between disciplines are “a little artificial.” Problem-solving is the constant; the label on the degree matters less than the curiosity behind it.
How Matt and Richard Met
The origin story of Red Stag is also instructive. Matt was walking the halls of a temporary Chevron office complex in Houston, introducing himself to every team. At the end of the hallway, he found an enormous corner office with floor-to-ceiling windows and a desk big enough to land a small aircraft on. Richard was sitting behind it.
“I do not know who this guy is,” Matt recalled thinking, “but he must be super important.” It turned out Richard had been with the company about a week, and the office was only his because everyone was about to move downtown, and nobody cared about assignments. The vice president of the business unit, meanwhile, was sitting in a closet-sized room upstairs. They have been friends and collaborators ever since.
Key Points for Non-Op Investors to Remember
- Conventional non-op interests can offer lower decline and more predictable cash flow when managed carefully.
- Technical non-ops add value by pairing capital with geology, engineering, and disciplined workover design.
- Operator selection, basin selection, and conservative price assumptions remain fundamental to long-term outcomes.
- Events like April 2020 should inform downside modeling, capital structure, and hedging decisions.
Listen to the Full Episode
The full conversation with Matt Dangel and Richard Ball of Red Stag Resources is available now on YouTube and Spotify. If you are interested in non-operated oil and gas investments, the conventional asset space, or just want to hear how two Chevron veterans are building something from the ground up, it is worth your time.
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Sources
- Interview transcript: Local Energy Podcast with Matt Dangel and Richard Ball, Red Stag Resources
- Public reporting on April 20, 2020 WTI futures price behavior and negative settlement
- Public materials on conventional vs. unconventional reservoir behavior and decline profiles